What is the next step in a sustainable society? w/ the University of Auckland's Phil Shane: 17 July, 2025

As the climate and sustainability crises continue to worsen and corporations and governments refuse to act the question must be asked, do we need to rethink our entire society? From one built on resource extraction for profit, to one built around sustainable local living.

Producer Sam spoke to Professor of geology at the University of Auckland, Phil Shane, about the sustainability of our society.